Saturday, November 19, 2011

Is there a contradiction between free will and relativity?

My physics knowledge is imperfect so this may be rubbish but...





Since relativity states that time in a subjective concept depending on your position then arguably you could say the future has already happened but we're looking in the wrong place. Does this then imply that whatever we choose to do is already set and thus we cannot truly have free will? If yes or no then why?|||"Already" set? if the future has "already happened," then when exactly IS the "present"?





Point of view matters - that's the point of relativity. So no, there is no contradiction. Point of view can never escape the present moment. In a sense, point of view *is* the present moment. And we can't escape having a point of view. Free will is part of it's "what it's like" to be a person. It's not a true or false thing about the universe. There is no new info about it from relativity.|||I highly suggest everyone read Skatta's answer.





Skatta's answer (the last answer) is by far the best answer to this question. It is among the best of all of the answers I have seen to any question on this website.

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|||All possibilities are open.|||I don't see any contradiction between the two at all. Relativity is a theory. Until proved otherwise we will find that someone else will add or subtract information regarding the theory of relativity. It is a science, in science we do not know it all, we are constantly learning and changing what we know. It is the current correct explanation to a lot of matter concerning physics but the theory can change with the insight of another genius.


Free will however is shown daily in all our decisions. We either accommodate the laws that govern our lives or we rebel against them. The laws of life are not just the moral or governing laws of King and Parliament, President and Congress but those of the unseen aspects of our world and life.


You are free to follow what is in the world or what is unseen and rules the world or what is unseen and has created the universe. It's all up to you.


I see no contradiction between "free will" %26amp; "relativity".|||yes and no, its relative :)


no joking, if you take relativity as a law it will be absolute and meaningless.


free will and relativity are in some way the same thing because they say there is not such thing as an absolute destiny.|||no.





what you're talking about is that time and motion are pretty much the same thing.





imagine if all the universe was frozen still, from its smallest parts to its biggest. completely still.





then there can be no time whatsoever right?





clocks are still, no beings can think, nothing, everything is frozen, molecules atoms everything that exists even what we have not discovered yet.





as soon as one tiny spec of anything moves, now time exists, for that thing only in relation to everything else, all other things are frozen in time compared to each other.





so you can see how motion and time is tightly related.





it just so happens also, that more speed not only moves through space faster but also through time.





so the faster you go, the more fast forward the outside world moves, not just seems, actually moves. so this would have the effect that you, moving really fast would age more slowly than the rest of people stuck moving slowly on earth for example.





but this does not imply that things have already occurred.





light is the closest thing to that, because it already is where it is going. from its perspective. but we are stuck experiencing time so we can notice light moving. but still things have not yet occurred in our time frame, at our speed.





the evolution of time, is the motion of things. they are moving constantly, but they have not already travelled where they will travel yet. so nothing of the future has yet occurred.





and you will notice that things can either move (at various different speeds in any direction) or be stationary compared to something else but they cannot unmove.





and time can move forward at various speeds, but not backwards. for the exact reason that things cannot unmove, they cannot go in reverse. the universe has a play pause and fastforward button but no rewind.





this has no implications for free will.





but i think that just the fact that like all things we understand are completely predictable and follow specific rules that cannot be broken, and really only those we don't fully understand, nor do we claim to, do not have this feature. i think this is a very strong indication free will doesn't exist.





your brain is just a thing in a certain shape and when events occur it reacts in a certain way given the laws of physics. and that's not free will. free will needs a "you" that exists outside the body and the brain, an entity of its own, somehow controlling matter, though it is not matter itself. such a thing doesn't exist. the "you" is your brain, the shape, partly dictated by your genes and partly by your experiences and how your genes reacted to them. and this happening is what you are aware of.





you can't control how smart you are right? because your intelligence is a structure in your mind, your process of thinking is physical events occurring in your mind, same thing with your memories, and so your conclusions are as well. and all this creates a very nice illusion of free will. and it sooort of is in a way.





but that free will does not exist does not mean the future has occurred, it just means that it is in theory predictable. so long as you don't let the prediction affect the present, meaning if you calculated the future, you could only read the prediction after the event occurred, because knowing the prediction would itself affect the future. and you could not calculate the result of a prediction that includes it's own conclusion in the result because it has come to a conclusion yet. so that renders predicting the future useless.





so i think we have an undetermined future, and no free will.

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